What do you know about Scandinavia? Vikings, high taxes, ABBA? Well, there’s a lot more than that.
I’m over in Norway for work for a couple of days and my word – it’s a real pleasure to be back. I’ve spent a lot of time in Scandinavia* over the years. First as a student back in the day on Erasmus, then for occasional work trips, a holiday or two and now again for work. Over time, my appreciate for the Scandinavians and the Scadinavian way of life grows and grows.
There is a lot to dislike about Scandinavia – the weather (very British), the high taxes, high cost of living and the absurd price of alcohol. And that’s just the stereotypes – there’s even more known to those who live here.
But there are a lot of reasons to like Scandinavia:
- Very high standard of living
- very good public facilities, from buses, schools, hospitals
- abundance of green spaces near towns and cities (take your pick from running and walking trails, even ski jumping in Oslo!)
- very good work life balance – and world leading childcare allowances for parents (not just mums!)
- lots of people have cabins in the woods – so no greenbelt worth talking about
- much better housing stock than the UK
- lower property prices too boot!
- generally friendly locals and an open culture
- better public facilities and clean, tidy towns and cities
- abundance of black coffee and pastries
- things that are good for you are cheap
- the nature (particularly in Norway) is just breathtaking
Even some of the preconceptions about tax are not 100% true. I was chatting to a pal who is from Scotland but lives in Oslo working for a company there. He was saying that on a £50,000 salary in Oslo you get paid about 5% less than the UK (after tax, NI…) but that £50,000 job only pays about £40,000 in London. And on a £100,000 salary in Oslo you’d get paid MORE than a £100,000 job in London – except that job would pay about £80,000 and involve around 7.5 fewer hours a week than in Oslo and have 10 more days holiday a year. There may be some cost of living differences – but working in Scandinavia has some compelling pluses.
So, maybe it’s the 5am wake-up this morning, the 10 cups of black coffee or the relaxing walk back from the exhibition to the company rented house in the suburbs but I got a very strong feeling that we should move here for a new chapter in our lives. There are lots of people doing it for a range of reasons. You can get a job with the same or better pay with less stress with nicer people and live in a bigger better home in a cleaner area than you can if you live in the UK. If you have children – they’ll get a better education and maybe their hair will turn blonde too!
The working culture is different too. You finish work at 16:00, no prizes for working late (people will just think that you can’t do your job in the time allowed) and if you need to go pick up your kids at 3pm, you do it and nobody thinks any less of you. By comparison the UK (and most other places) have a poisonous atmosphere of work-hating, grumblers who’ll spitefully joke “you working part time” or something like that when you try to leave the office half an hour early. Scandinavia has the work – life balance the right way round.
This is all maybe a bit of a dream – and I know from my time in Sweden that it’s a bit miserable in Winter when the sun barely gets above the horizon at noon. But it’s a great place to be and luckily, there are lots of job opportunities for those that are willing to relocate.
I don’t know if I’m making a good case – maybe I’m a bit tired, sitting here typing away after a long day at an exhibition. But I often feel that when I visit Southern Europe that it would be nice to live there for the weather but when I visit Northern Europe, I feel like they have worked out what makes society work well and the result is a great place to be. Maybe nothing will come of my Scandinavian Love Affair, but it could be a nice option to FIRE-lite to a less stressful job in Scandinavia.
Oh and finally, the picture of this post is an actual real picture of a place in Norway.
Thanks,
GFF
*Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland, the Faroes, Greenland – sure they are all different but for those of us who can’t tell the difference, they are all the same. No offence meant.
it sounds like you have found the perfect place to move to! Would you really consider relocating?
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There are hidden costs! But my wife’s company is based in Stockholm, we could move there but not until next year for some work reasons.
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I like your catch phrase, we are also working on early retirement, hoping 52 years old for us, but still in the works. So I’ll be checking in to see your progress!
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I had a look at your blog – you’ve been doing this for a bit longer than me. 🙂
Expect a month end report next week!
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But I bet you have been preparing for a long time as well, this weekend I am sharing your plan with my husband, were still trying to figure out – what our retirement big trip will be.
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I hope you are both on the same wavelength!
I’ve been a bit more focused on earning more than saving hard and at the moment our spending is very high – so my immediate thoughts now are how to reduce spending to allow us to optionally retire next year to focus on our kids and see how RE looks like.
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You could check out Dave Ramsey, his method seemed to work pretty well for my husband prior to us meeting, and we took the kids to the class as well (which is free at many churches).
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I’d not heard of him before but I have seen his face on books and ads around the place. thanks.
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Its funny, but much of what you describe as the difference between the UK and Norway could be said about NY and cities in the Carolinas, Texas, or Colorado. I have friends from the NY area that have moved to those other 4 states. I have visited them myself, having spent at least a month in each, can confirm the better lifestyle with lower wages by top dollar in incomes, but due to cost of living. This is why the northeast of the US has so many expats in those states, like my old friends. As time passes, we may join them for the same reasons.
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I get a bit of this in Scotland where I live – we live between Aberdeen and Edinburgh – both expensive cities – mostly on house prices but other spending items too, where we live is substantially cheaper to live and has a better standard of living. Unfortunately, the same Scottish weather. 🙂
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by the way – I am having trouble viewing your website – genx-fire.com is it working ok?
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Thank you for the feedback on my site. I was under the impression it was, but I will check with WordPress.
I will say the South, and even Colorado have better weather than the NorthEast, and they also sport less traffic, congestion and stressed people. I stay due to family, and well I am still in love with aspects of the area. As time goes by, the allure of those other states increases!
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